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being assaulted, raped and fondled allegedly by sandusky over many years. he's now 28 years old. they played shower games, for example, in which sandusky got soap all over him and then assaulted him. we also -- he faced some tough cross-examination and at one point asked by sandusky's lawyer, why didn't you stop this? he said, i was afraid. besides, i was getting gifts. then he turned the question around and said, i wish i had, perhaps i could have saved other children. back to you, christine. >> susan, a very dramatic first day in the courtroom. we know you'll be there all day today too. thank you, sue an. i'll talk to a former child abuse and sex crimes prosecutor, wendy murphy, about what's next in the sandusky trial after that very dramatic day in court yesterday. let's get to zoraida
sambolin. >> monster wild fires still burning completely out of control. this is in colorado. the high park fire near fort collins, colorado, is blamed for one death. it has exploded insize, scorching 64 square miles since the weekend. thousands had to evacuate their homes and the fire destroyed at least 100 buildings. the justice department moving ahead with plans to sue the state of florida in an effort to stop the purging of voter rolls. rick stot wants all noneligible residents barred from voting. the state argues the florida program fails to follow proper legal standards. governor scott says up to 100,000 names need to be purged from its states rolls and now plans to sue the department of homeland security for access to federal citizenship database. we'll ask the governor about that and the timing of all of
this when he joins us live at 8:00 a.m. eastern. it's still not clear why police in alabama left a home in montgomery where the auburn triple murder suspect was believed to be hiding. s.w.a.t. teams surrounded the house since yesterday. desmonte leonard has been the target of an all out manhunt since the shootings over the weekend. he is accused of killing three people, two of them former auburn football players. new this morning, the white house announcing john bryson is taking medical leave as he's being investigated for a possible felony hit-and-run. police say bryson hit two cars in southern california saturday and they found him unconscious behind the wheel. white house officials say bryson suffered a seizure but it is not clear when that actually happened. a u.s. navy crashing into a marsh near salisbury, maryland. the unmanned aircraft was still in development worth $176
million and able to fly without refueling for $30 with altitudes as high as 11 miles. no one was hurt there. los angeles is title town this morning but not the lakers or the dodgers doing the celebrating. it is the l.a. kings. the kings won their first ever stanley cup eliminating the new jersey devils in six games, finishing them out with a 6-1 rout. paul is live in los angeles where it has been a celebration 45 years in the making. >> reporter: that's exactly right, zoraida. the kings overshadowed by the lakers in their own building then they have the anaheim ducks join the league in the 90s and even the ducks won a cup. so the kings waited a long time for this. finally after 45 years, it came tonight. it's a multigenerational thing. we ran into one young fan on the street with his dad and rather poignant sign. let's listen.
>> it's been so long to have three games to nine and lose the other day and back to new jersey and they lost. you feel like you waited a lifetime literally for it to happen. i'm so happy and my son is spoiled because he's 1 for 1. >> reporter: memory of a lifetime, i'm sure the little kid won't remember it but dad will show him the pictures, maybe even that clip. what a night for kings fans. they are celebrating and rather civilly, no major incidents. some of them have hoarse throats and make they can douse that with krem brulee or champagne. >> i'm sure soon they are going to be shouting repeat. >> reporter: i'm sure they will. >> back to you. >> sounds like sports fans screaming all night for los angeles. >> i was. i was. >> have a cup of tea. jerry sandusky's child sex abuse trial gets under way in two hours. this time he'll face victim
number one. wendy murphy, a former sex crimes prosecutor, worked on several cases for privacy ratigs for victims of abuse and she's following this case. >> good morning. >> usually the first day there's preliminaries and opening statements and talking about the mechanics of a case and suddenly, that was a very dramatic day of testimony yesterday. victim number four, the first witness, with some shocking revelations, this isn't touching or horse play, this goes beyond to many, many allegations here of very serious crimes against a child. what is the jury thinking going into the second day after a day like yesterday? >> yeah, you know, most jurors have no experience with this kind of behavior. so often there's a feeling of shock, which interestingly enough can sometimes benefit the defense. if a jury just can't get its
head around the idea, that a man a seemingly masculine guy is capable of this sort of thing, that can push jurors against willingness to believe these kinds of allegations simply because it's too disgusting and shocking. the problem for the defense is that once the second and third and fourth and all the way up to eight different victims testify that the same kind of behavior happened, then i think it becomes impossible for a jury not to believe, assuming their credible, assuming they are credible. >> let's talk about victim number four, alleging some 50 times sexual assault, 50 different times, abuse lasting for years, wendy. he didn't immediately break contact. he was a child. he didn't immediately break contact and didn't contact or report the abuse and later even introduced his fiance and young child to jerry sandusky. how will that play with the jury? >> again, it's one of these
facts that jurors with no exposure to this kind of behavior think that's weird. if that happened to me, i wouldn't be friends with the guy. that's a problem for these kinds of cases. on the other hand, you can bet that once they hear many victims say something similar, which is that i had mixed feelings. i was disgusted and terrified and i was a child. on the other hand, this is a guy who was so kind to me in other ways, i was confused. i didn't know what to do. i didn't feel i had the power and frankly in some ways kids think of this kind of attention as a good thing as confusing as that may sound. if it feels like a good relationship, 90% of the time, kids learn to put up and cope with the bad stuff. jurors are going to hear that kind of thing over and over again. and i think it will start to make more sense to them, even if they've never heard of this kind of behavior before. >> let's talk about the defense attorney joe amendola, he
suggested that sandusky, might take the stand himself. we've heard from sandusky before in the public. reporters. he's talked a couple of times on camera, on the phone to a radio show. what's the actual likelihood of hearing from sandusky and how does it help his case? >> make no mistake, that man will never get on the stand. >> really? >> never. never. and i think what amendola was suggesting by implying to the jury that he would, was that you're going to hear those televised media interviews and i think he will play those. he wants the jury to hear from him in some way that makes him look sympathetic. he can't take the stand. the cross-examination would be brutal, it would destroy the defense to the extent there is one. i think this is a nondefendable case frankly because of how many victims there are. once you have this many victims, defense attorneys usually try to
make a deal. i think the prosecution didn't offer a deal which is why this case has gone to trial. sandusky will never take the stand. those media interviews will very much play a central role, see what a nice guy he is, absolutely. >> the defense also suggested he may suffer from histrionic personality disorder and the national institutes of health defines this in which people act in a dramatic way to draw attention to themselves. what is this little -- histrionic personality -- they are saying the victims are highing but then they are also saying there's this other thing over here about the personality, the way enginejerry sandusky be >> you can hire an expert to say virtually anything about somebody's mental health problems. i think what's funny about this, it's typically a condition attached to women. why the defense thinks this is going to make any points for them, i'm not sure.
i think why it's there, those letters. remember, yesterday there was vivid testimony corroborated to some extent by seeming love letters, really strange odd, creepy letters. the defense has to say to the jury, here's why a guy would write that kind of thing. now that you see he has a mental health disorder, that's why he was writing those letters. it's not the real jerry sandusky, it's sandusky with a mental health disorder. i don't think it's going to discount the jury's feelings about the grotesque nature of these charges. i think they are going to think defense found somebody they could pay to testify that the guy was a little fruit loop. >> nice to hear from you this morning and i'm sure we'll talk to you soon as this very odd and twisted case goes on. thanks so much, wendy murphy. >> you're welcome. a group of american nuns scalded by the catholic church taking it to the vatican. the church's looming moves to the nuns is a hostile takeover.
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catholic nuns are going straight to the top today. members from the leadership conference of women religious will meet with vatican officials. a report from a church watch dog accuses the group which represents about 80% of catholic nuns of radical feminism and says they are too silent on issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. the nuns say officials are focusing on what they don't do
instead of good they reform. sist welcome to the program this morning, sister. >> thank, christine, it's good to be here. >> are you a feminist or radical feminist and why exactly is this such a big bone of contention with rome? >> well, radical feminist is in the eye of the beholder, i think. i certainly many a feminist and proudly so, it means a belief in the fundamental equal of women and men. and the vatican confirms this when they say every time of discrimination based on sex is to be overcome as contrary to god's intent and that was the example of jesus in the gospels. i'm not quite sure what they mean when they say radical feminism. >> tell me a little bit about what you're hoping to achieve
and what your group is hoping to achieve when you talk to the vatican and move forward here. clearly there is a very big difference of opinion between the nuns in the u.s., your group and rome. >> well, that's true. i want to hasten to add, i'm not a member of the leadership conference. and those are the women, the president and executive director who are meeting with various officials at the vatican today. however, every nun in the united states is attune to what's going on there. i think they are concerned that the assessment they received, which was sprung on them unexpectedly, once they've had a chance now to examine what's in it, they believe there are unsubstantiated allegations and no transparency in the process by which it was developed. and we nuns are used to now since the second vatican council, open and collaborative processes in our communities.
and furthermore, they believe, as i think many people do, that it has caused grave scandal in the american church. witness the great support that we have received from the layty across the country. >> women can't be priests. if you follow church teaching can't use contraception and women -- i guess in the catholic church, you walk in and mary is in full view and is pray to mary but women in the church when you look at the teachings, there's a war on woman in your church and add what's happening with nuns in the u.s., it's a good question. >> it's a fundamental question that a lot of people ask. it's certainly try that at the institutional level, women are not treated as equals in the church. they need to be. even to follow the very teachings which i just quoted which the bishops of the world spoke back in early 1960s.
and i think that's a deep concern for many of us. you know, another concern is that these teachings and practices that you've cited can change. it's a myth to think that the teachings of the church never change. and when people push for changes, or look at things with new theo logical insights, that's how the evolution of teaching and the development of teaching takes place in the church. >> sisters evolving faster than rome is, is that what the issue is. >> i dare say sisters have been evolving considerably faster than rome, yes. >> what about the american catholic church compared with rome? is this a sign of a catholic church that is much -- evolving faster than rome too? >> i think that's probably true, yes. unfortunately, i think that the officials at the vatican seem entrenched in what i would call a prevatican model of church,
which is noncollaborative and so forth. and i think the american church by and large has embraced the teachings of the second vatican council, which puts emphasis -- which we do as nuns, on social justice, on the needs of the poor, on relieving the plight of the o pressed or helping victims of violence around the world. those are the kinds of concerns we bring to this church. and i've run into la ity and this makes me said, who have said to me after they heard about this vatican action against nuns, they said, you know, sister, how can i go to church next sunday? this really makes me sad. and it makes me sad too to hear them say that. >> sister marie fielder, so nice to have you on the program, we'll talk to you again soon. host of interfaith voices. thank you, have a nice day. ahead, a disturbing video, a
stepfather caught on tape beating his son with a belt. the defense, the kid has severe behavioral problems. his attorney is going to join us live. plus, swearing in public could hit you where it hurts yurks wallet. how one town is facing obsessive profanty. margaret's playlist, dr. dre. good morning. >> good morning, how are you? [ jennifer garner ] why can't strong sunscreen feel great?
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>> we have a get real this morning that you've all done it, walking down the street and stub your toe and drop something and outcomes a string of profanities, in middleborough, it's not so simple. cursing in public got so bad in this town senior citizens said they were afraid to go shopping downtown because the swearing was so intimidating. so the town decided to do something about it. last night in a 183-50 vote, residents approved fining excessive swearing in public to the tune of $20 per incident. that's one -- that's one swear jar. the vote actually decriminalized swearing, was originally against the law. the fine violates the first amendment especially since there's no clear defer in addition of profanity. >> please don't tell me, i'm not asking you to tell me. >> we'll show you. >> you have the -- like if i
said this [ bleep ] or if i said [ bleep ]. i have to move my mouth. >> that don't work well. >> they are reading your mind. >> i think i'm moving my mouth it would be [ bleep ]. >> in all seriousny, one man's profanity is another man's lyric. that is a legal concept as well. you can't go around and regulate pro fanty. you have to more narrowly tailer your law. if it is fighting words, used to incite violation -- >> doesn't this old lady have a right to go shopping without being awedably insulted. >> local communities get to regulate themselves, 158 to 50 shows there is strong feeling and you say it is directed towards violence, apparently these people felt intimidated
walking to buy something because somebody was yelling profanities at them. it's a hot bed of the original sensibility in the united states. >> i totally understand but we also did a story earlier a couple of months ago that dealt with cursing also relieves stress and so lowers blood pressure. sometimes you have to can you say -- cuss somebody out. >> community sensibility, i like the quote from the one lady, if you think your legal budget is big enough to handle this, it's a question of the first amendment rights. >> i can't imagine -- >> all i have to say, my mom always said that cursing shows you don't have -- creativity. >> no, you can curse creatively. you can have really -- >> we'll have a break and you can cuss creatively all you want. how much sleep did you get last
night? if it's less than six hours, you might be putting yourself at risk for a stroke. a disturbing video of a father disciplining his stepson. this video looks terrible but should the parent be chargedwide a felony. we'll get his side of the story next. the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! scroll... tap... pinch... and zoom... in your car. introducing the all-new cadillac xts with cue. ♪ don't worry. we haven't forgotten. you still like things to push. [ engine revs ] the all-new cadillac xts has arrived, and it's bringing the future forward.
i house committee is considering holding eric holder in contempt of congress. the committee says holder has had more than enough time to have documents for fast and furious, a flawed drug smuggling program that ended up arming mexican drug car tells. a special election in arizona, ron barber faces a tough challenge from jesse kelly, an ex-marine and iraq war vet backed by the tea party. barber was wounded in the tucson shooting rampage that critically injured giffords and killed six others. take a look at this shocking video of a florida woman set on fire in an apparent domestic dispute in boynton beach. the suspect, 52-year-old roosevelt poured gasoline on the mother of his 4-year-old son and torched her after pulling her out of a convenience store.
he is behind bars this morning facing attempted first degree murder charges. a father's rage turns deadly, but neighbors in the town of shiner, texas, feeling his pain. the father beat a man to death after catching him molesting his 4-year-old daughter. >> defense of her trying to get her away from him, he struck the individual in the head several times. >> i don't think he should be arrested for it. i don't think any charges should be filed. >> if somebody abused my grandchild like he did, i think he deserved everything he got. >> especially 4 years old. that's terrible. >> yes. >> the sheriff says the little girl suffered mental trauma but physically she's okay. the father has not been arrested. a grand jury will decide on possible charges in that case. in this morning's house call, are you sleep deprifd? if you get fewer than six hours a sleep each night, you could have a higher risk of stroke, even if you are otherwise healthy.
a study from the university of alabama found that early symptoms of strokes like numbness down one side of the body, vision loss, dizziness or losing the ability to xpr he is yourself could be associated with less sleep. scientists say more research is needed there. a huge blow to autism researchers. a freezer malfunctioned at harvard's brain bank damaging a third of the world's largest collection of brain samples used to study autism. the freezer''s temperatures went too high and the alarms did not sound. the damaged brain samples were a priceless collection. investigators say foul play cannot be ruled out. boy, that is terribly unfortunate. >> on twitter this morning, a lot of people who are advocates for finding the source and cure for autism are frankly just really upset about this. >> absolutely. >> a lot of parents talking about it this morning too. a disturbing story, a stepfather
caught on camera, hitting his stepson with a belt during a game of catch, could face felony child abuse charges. the imperial county sheriff's office plans to file a case with the district attorney this afternoon. a neighbor took this video of anthony sanchez, hitting his stepson in the backyard last week. >> i'm having a problem with you for beating the [ bleep ] because he won't catch the ball. >> do you know my son? >> i'm a [ bleep ] father too. >> sanchez was arrested after turning himself in. he has since resigned from his ee leked post in the town. joining us now are sanchez's attorney and gail atkins. i want to start with you ryan. the video looks back. he know it looks bad. he's seeking parenting classes or counseling. but this is not abuse, you say, this is him disciplining a child with behavioral problems?
>> what i'm saying is that my client in doing this was intending to discipline his son. it wasn't about a son -- >> disciplining for what. i want to be careful, we don't want to make this about zach. this isn't zach's fault. my client understands that. so i don't want to go into that, but a lot of people said this is about a game of catch and because he wasn't playing catch correctly. this is why this happened and that's not the case. >> during a game of catch. >> tell us in your client's words what was happening here. >> again, to do that, i'd have to get into what was going on with zach, i don't want to make this about zach. this isn't zach's fault. my client has seen the video, i've seen the video. we realize it's hard to watch. my client has regrets about this and realizes he may need to learn coping issues. but the question here, should my client spend six years in prison
or felony charges? spanking is not illegal in california and california law -- >> was that a belt? we can see he reaches down to pick something up. he had something on the ground, looks like a belt. picked up the belt to go -- that was a belt he was spanking him with? >> this is a belt he was spank him with. california law says that using something other than your hand does not make it illegal. the question here, parents can decide for themselves what's right and wrong in their own discipline, but the question for us, what's illegal. >> what does the boy's mother, she's on a pre-planned, family vacation, your client stayed behind. how is she doing? and how is the child doing? >> needless to say the whole family is torn up by this entire event. this -- before they went to authorities, this was put on facebook. and so my client has suffered tremendous amount of outrage about this and of course young zach has had an event that was
horrible for him, exposed to the world. this is something that he's going to have to deal with when he goes back to class and for quite a long time. >> he's aware, zach is aware of this has become a national story. >> the family has tried to shield him as much as possible but it just couldn't be done to the extent they would like. so he is aware, yes. >> how often would your client discipline the child this way? >> my understanding is that from the mother, the maternal grandfather and everybody who has been around my client, they've never seen an instance where they felt his discipline was inappropriate or crossed the line. >> you talked about his behavioral issues. the family is dealing with the behavioral issues -- this is how they are dealing with it? >> i can't speak to other instances of discipline, but certainly they believe that spanking is an appropriate form of discipline. that's not -- >> this is the spanking? >> in this instance there was a belt used and i'm not saying in
every instance of discipline, there's a belt used. i can't speak to that. >> i want to bring in dr. dale atkins. is this an appropriate response? >> it is generally inappropriate response. children with behavioral issues have difficulty regulating themselves. they have difficulty staying in the moment. and they really do better not with aggression, which teaches them it is a way to deal with problem and self-regulation issues but rather ways you can deal with them more appropriately are trying to address them personally -- >> when you talk self-regulation, for a lot of parents, this is when i child is compelled to do something. a child can't say, i'm not going to do something. whether it's a movement or a sound or acting out, they can't regulate themselves. >> that's exactly right. that's one of the issues.
when people talk about a child we behavioral issue, the issue is whether they have trouble regulating their own behavior. i would like to go back to one thing you said. this really isn't about the child. this really is about the child. i know you're speaking about a legal perspective, whether children have behavior issues or not, i believe if we had all had a sense of when a parent is angry or frustrated, this is the time you don't want to be engaged in a physical interaction with your child. that's when many people are interacting -- >> you're saying never spank a child? are you saying at all? >> this isn't a spanking -- >> i got you but the reality is, spanking is going to be a part of this conversation because it goes beyond this incidence. do you believe in never spanking a child? >> let me preface that. there has been a change in thought. when i was young spanking was considered the standard for
disciplining children. >> you're asking me a direct question and my direct answer is that i do not believe in spanking children or hitting children. and i believe and so much of the research in my own 40 years of experience working with children and working with families, dealing with abuse for most of my life, is that it does not have a positive effect, not only on the child, it does not have a positive effect and has a dill tear yus effect on the relationship between the parent and child. it does nothing to enhance a child's self-esteem and makes parents feel terrible about themselves and children remember very well, not only what was said to them but done to them. >> isn't there an difference between abuse and spanking. i will got spanked and i can tell you had my dad not disciplined me and my brother and three sisters, we would have been off that deep end and not one of his children he had to go bail out. so some people sit here and i can tell you right now, some
people say that's not right and proper. i can tell you right now, from my own experience, i can imagine where i had been had he not put his foot down. >> most people in this country have been spanked. most children have been humiliated. most children have been made to feel in a situations where they are really not in control of themselves that they are made to feel less than. one of things about hitting kids, is that what it says is it's okay for a big person to hit a little person. it's okay for a strong person to hit a weaker person. i think there are ways -- i don't know the discussion about having is spanking good or bad, the issue is what are we doing to our children as a society. >> a lot of us come from the angle what happened to us when we were kids. this is a child with behavioral issues and whether this is routine spanking, which anybody watching this does not think this is a kid being spanked.
this is a belt and some -- an adult who's clearly angry. we can't hear what was going on there. you don't want to tell us exactly what the behavior was ha illicited this response. is your client going to do something like this again do you think? >> well, i don't believe -- i think my client has learned that this may have been excessive and he's very sorry about the fact that there may have been some excessive action here. this comes back to is this a felony that he should spend six years in prison for? is this something that is illegal? i realize people have opinions about discipline and seeing the video inflamed a lot of people. but what is the appropriate legal course here or has the sheriff's department overreached because of the pressure they've gotten from social media and the bl bl blogosphere. >> do they have help in the adhd part of this story, early
intervention, a lot of things states trained adults who can help families handle behavior that is hard to contain. >> zach has had treatment and ongoing treatment both with a psychiatrist and a psychologist. >> thank you so much. i'm sure it's a discussion we'll continue to have. coming up, some startling news, the american family's network drastically shrinking. we can quantify what went down the drain, how many years of savings and investment was lost in the recession. we'll tell you what that number is after the break. a photo journalist risks his life to show the world was going on inside syria. his amazing video of a country at war with itself. you're watching "starting point." ay hello bobby. hello bobby. do you know you could save hundreds on car insurance over the phone, online or at your local geico office?
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nearly 40% of your net worth gone because of recession, that's what new numbers show from the federal reserve this week. median net worth fell from $125,000 in 2007 to 77,000 in 2010, that means the recession wiped away 18 years of savings and investment for the typical american family and it is down
to where it was in 1992. it's also interesting about these numbers, they show for middle -- middle chunk of income strata fell, but the top 10% did okay. it feeds into the 99 versus the 1 theory. >> setting aside the 99% versus the 1%, which isn't my favorite -- >> shocking. >> this is a statistic that resonates further than one versus 99 debate. this is your economic recession in a nutshell right here. 40% decline in net worth. that cannot be overstated. the effect that has on consumer spending, economists debate that, that's a massive number. >> even covering the financial crisis, trying to quantify, this means you can't retire when you want to and work longer and work two or three jobs. this means 18 years of progress was erased from the typical family. >> to say this isn't going to
have political ramifications, i think the political party in november going to have the most success is the one that can convince -- and it's not just the middle class, but also -- and i think here republicans need to learn to talk about how to help people get out of poverty. and how to continue social mobility so that people can grow net worth and address core problems much the democrats a lot of times you'll see talking about poverty and the poor. but they shirk these issues. >> why? >> it's a great question actually. it goes to the nature of conservatism. we talk about the rising tide raises all votes. >> you think when romney talks about poverty, he doesn't know about poverty? >> rudy giuliani talked about a lot. a ladder out of poverty and how to get there. there are some reform republicans and urban republicans who have been able to talk about it successfully. >> any republican who does not talk about the issue of poverty is an idiot. because if you look at the poorest states, the bottom 10, eight of those 10 are so-called red states. ok? you can talk about mississippi, alabama. you can go to west virginia.
louisiana. they are at the bottom. it's a real issue. but when you talk about this particular housing issue here, it also forces us to have a different conversation in that we had this false economy, if you will. folks were flipping houses. they were sitting here, the values were going up. and so what happened was in some cases, my brother has a house. the house next to him was flipped so many times that house was selling for almost $500,000. the house really should have been around $300,000. and then what happens, the property values go up. and it really was a false -- a false economy. and all of a sudden, people say i lost it, but we were operating really with a false sense of security. and specifically we talk about african-americans. 53% of black wealth has been wiped out. and that will affect the next two generations. typically, you start your business with a home loan. you can't do it because you don't have a home now. >> that's a tough number. 18 years wiped away. >> absolutely.
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now a cnn exclusive. we take you inside syria to document the unimaginable slaughter. the images you're seeing are courtesy of photo journalist robert king, who risked his life to show the world the truth about what's happening there. these pictures taken in a makeshift clinic in homs, an area that's under siege from government troops and has been for months. >> doctor, what has happened here? >> i don't know. the army. you see, you see this child. if they cannot go to any hospital in syria. they will kill the wounded. >> even the children? >> even the children. >> photo journalist robert king is joining us live from beirut. it's the children. the whole story is just harrowing for the civilians in syria, but it's so many children and the images of children.
what did you see? what's happening there? >> i saw only a small part of what is taking place in the whole country. this field hospital was overwhelmed with the numerous amounts of wounded. from civilians to children to fighters. and they were doing life saving operations with very little medical equipment. that was available to them at that time. >> tell me, how are the people being wounded? are they being wounded in the door-to-door sort of hand-to-hand combat? is it mortars? what's happening? >> just random -- they are being wounded, you know, just -- they are being targeted because they live in civilian populated areas. so it's not -- it is random, but it's more direct than random because they seem to be targeting all people within the rebel held areas.
whether it's from sniping to mortars to rockets. it is effective, and disgusting. >> has any -- are the people that you talk to -- >> it's a crime against humanity. >> is anybody saying that bashir al assad, that his group is slipping, or is he strengthening his grip on homs? >> well, it's apparent that he's losing his power just by his desperate acts of slaughtering civilians and trying to drag his country into an all-out civil war. you know, it's obvious to me and to the people of syria that if he leaves, he wants the country to be in flames. so his legacy will be one that prevented this type of sectarian violence. in reality, he is promoting secretaryian violence. he is killing the offspring of the revolutionaries in a brutal and gruesome way.
>> the images are certainly brutal and gruesome. and we know it's dangerous to try to get those videos and those pictures out of there. photo journalist robert king has been doing that, and is joining us from beirut. thank you for telling your story and showing us those pictures. don't miss the next hour of "starting point." florida governor rick scott, former minnesota governor ricky ventura, starbucks ceo howard schultz, the cast of the new "dallas," oh, yeah, and will, margaret, and roland are here too. >> that's the most important thing. [ male announcer ] this is the at&t network.
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jessie ventura calling for the end of political parties. he says the people who run them are thugs in brooks brothers suits. he'll stop by to explain that. and the return of the ewings, "dallas" is back on tv with some new characters and old returning favorites. you'll get to meet the whole cast. it is tuesday, june 12. "starting point" begins right now. ♪ can you hear me >> nice. from yours? >> of course. you know that wasn't will, by the way. >> i had dr. dre back in the day. >> oh, my goodness. >> i take your brick house and you just go put it somewhere else. >> oh, ok. let me explain something to you. commodores, lionel richey, dr. dre, he is great, but he ain't a legend. >> well, i don't know. >> not over the commodores. you better ask somebody. >> completely hijacked by roland
and margaret. will cain is also here today. florida, the state and the federal government now planning to sue each other. the department of justice believes that florida is violating voters rights. in the suit it writes, it appears that the state of florida is unwilling to conform its behavior to the requirements of federal law, so an enforcement action will be taken against florida in federal court. rick scott will sue the government to get access to a federal database. there is a list of nearly 2,700 potential noncitizens identified by the state. joining us now is governor rick scott from florida. good morning, sir. >> good morning. it looks like you guys are having a good time up there. >> we are. well, it's tuesday. you have to get the party
started for the rest of a long week. i want to talk to you about the timeline for what's going on. the dhj first denied florida access to this save database as it's called in october of last year. a lot of back and forth. now the doj announcing a lawsuit against your state. what is your response to the doj suing you? >> sure. christine, look, the debate is over. we know we have -- we know we have almost 100 ideas that are registered to vote that are non-u.s. citizens. over 50 of them have voted in our elections. i have an obligation to enforce the laws of our land. you don't get to vote in florida if you're a non-u.s. citizen. the homeland security has been stone walling to give us a database we are entitled to that we have been asking for for months, to make sure we do it the right way. so we are put in a position where we had no choice but to sue homeland security to get that database to make sure that your right as a citizen is not
deluded by somebody that is a non-u.s. citizen illegally voting in our state. >> you have 50 cases of that, you say you found. but on the other side of that, you have to be -- the federal government says you cannot by any way infringe on a citizen's right to vote by purging these noncitizens. do you know what i mean? so you're going after these 48 right now cases. but are you really being sure that the state -- because, look, the save database, that dh database of noncitizens, the government says they are happy to give you the database but you aren't giving the information to use it properly for vertification purposes. >> here's what we know. we know that individuals are voting in our state illegally. they are non-u.s. citizens. we know the best database is the save database. we have asked for it for months from homeland security. we want to work with homeland security to get it. so we've done all the right things. we are put in a position that we don't have a choice but to sue them to get the database that
we're entitled to to make sure that u.s. citizens votes are not diluted. christine, here is the way the process process works. if there is data that says a voter registered is not legal to vote, they are sent a letter. if they don't respond, they get taken off the roles. if they show up to vote, they can vote. it's later that we verify it. we want all u.s. citizens to vote. we don't want noncitizens to vote. >> in pinellas and miami dade, you have election folks that are concerned that the record keeping is such a mess that they are worried about -- you've heard these reports of -- >> that's -- >> go ahead. >> that's why we need the homeland security database. look, think about it. no one -- i don't know anybody
that wants to say we want non-u.s. citizens to vote in our races. we want to do the right way. that's what we tried to do. our secretary of state's office has been working with homeland security for months asking for this database so we can do it right. when they were for whatever reason didn't give it to us, we tried to use our own database, all right, to do it. and we know that even with that database, we found 100 people that are not entitled to vote. they are non-u.s. citizens. we know 50 of them have voted. but the right thing to do is what we are trying to do, get the homeland security database, do it the right way. they shouldn't be stalling and not giving it to us. >> so according to the government, you're supplying names and date of birth. and they say that if you -- i'm going to read you a letter from the department of justice. to our understanding, the florida department of state admitted to dhs nearly eight months ago that the division of elections does not collect any of the immigration related numeric identifiers or documentation the dhs advises is necessary to participate in the
save program. that's the list we are all arguing about from the government. although much more recently, your office has suggested that in some cases the information may be available from the dmv at the time of drivers license applications. so i guess can you come up with this other data that the department of justice says you need? and then we can just resolve this. >> absolutely. we've worked -- we have tried to work with homeland security. we have told them how we're going to use the data. our secretary of state's office has. we have done everything the right way. for whatever reason, they have decided not to give it to us. we don't understand why. i can't imagine anybody in america wants a non-u.s. citizen to dilute a u.s. citizen's right to vote. we have done all the right things. so we don't have a choice but to sue them. >> but the get the overriding drive here is the national voter registration act, which is also to make sure that eligible voters have their right to vote. you're trying to balance these two things here. >> christine, this is not a partisan issue. this is not republican or
democrat or independent issue. this is an issue that i want all, all of us want, everyone wants every u.s. citizen to go and register to vote, vote. participate in elections. but non-u.s. citizens shouldn't be doing that. we want people to vote in our elections. i want everybody to vote. i want everybody to get involved in races. i tell them all the time to do that. but not non-u.s. citizens. that's illegal. >> critics say this is discriminatory. and one big political move to eliminate potential democratic voters. >> absolutely not. this is nonpartisan. i want people -- i give talks all the time. i tell people all the time, go register to vote. you have to be a u.s. citizen, but register to vote. participate in the races. vet candidates. participate in the process. that's america. but i don't have a right and you don't have a right to vote in a spanish election or italian election. this is america. you have to be a u.s. citizen to vote here. that's what we want. >> a florida judge recently -- a federal judge in florida struck down parts of law that you
signed because of restrictions it placed on groups working to register voters, groups getting out there trying to -- you say encouraging people to register to vote and get votes in, but a federal judge struck that down. how do you respond to claims that this is a big political move that is going to eliminate democratic voters? >> no. look, i want -- i don't know anybody in our state that says, hey, don't go register to vote. if you have a right to vote, register to vote. i tell people go participate in races. vet these candidates. go out and vote. get everybody you know to go out and vote. email what you think about candidates. we want people to participate in our races. this is what america is about. this is the first time i have ever run for office. i want everybody to vote. it's the right thing to do in our country. >> every vote in florida certainly counts. that's why so many people are watching what's happening on your voter roles. governor rick scott, florida, thank you so much. >> every day, christine. let me get you to guys. roland has steam coming out of his ears.
>> they is pure foolishness. he signed one of the most restrictive voter suppression laws in the country. how do you outlaw early voting on sunday before an election? how do you sit here and prevent folks like the league of women voters and rock the vote from registering people from voting because the laws are so restrictive? he is not about trying to expand the voting roles. they would not have passed those ridiculous laws. >> your rebuttal of this suggests that these guys are evil people trying to suppress minority voters. >> i said suppress voters. answer this. why not allow early -- voting on a sunday before a tuesday election? is that bad? >> answer this. do you believe that -- >> no, no. answer the question. non-u.s. citizens should not vote. that's easy. but should we allow early voting on a sunday before the election? that's a no. >> here's the deal. as the governor of florida, you have the right if it's 90 days
before an election, to set the rules for how the election is going to go. and if all of the citizens of florida know how it's going to go, that's fair. >> change the laws. if felons were allowed to vote, jeb bush allowed them. rick scott took their votes away. >> we should narrow the debate to what it is. is there a legitimate goal in kicking noncitizens off the voting roles? are the tools being used to do that legitimate implementation of that goal? that's the debate. right there. understand what we are debating. and then you can find out what side you fall on. >> all right, guys. thanks. let's go to zoraida for the rest of the day's headlines. victim number one takes stand this morning in day two of the jerry sandusky trial. it was this alleged victim's accusations that first triggered a criminal investigation into the former penn state football coach. yesterday, a 28-year-old man known as victim number four kicked off testimony in the case. he told the court sandusky began showering with him after exercise sessions when he was
just 13 years old. and touched him inappropriately. we're going to have a live report from the courthouse in about 30 minutes. an enormous wildfire still burning out of control near fort collins, colorado. frontline crews hoping to make progress against the fire. they will not get a break from mother nature today, however, with warmer and windier conditions expected there. the fire is blamed for at least one death and has forced thousands of evacuations. more than 64 square miles have burned since the weekend. new this morning, the white house announcing u.s. commerce secretary john bryson is taking a leave of absence to undergo medical tests. officials say he suffered a seizure this weekend when he caused two traffic accidents. police say he hit two cars in southern california on saturday, and they found him unconscious behind the wheel. he is now being investigated for a possible felony hit-and-run. cinderella in black and white. the los angeles kings are drinking from lord stanley's cup
for the first time in the 45-year history of the franchise. the kings eliminated the new jersey devils last night in six games to win that stanley cup. completing a magical playoff run after just barely qualifying for the postseason. quite a story to tell, christine. >> i know. wow. what a great story. zoraida, thank you. ahead on "starting point," fed up with politics, former governor jesse ventura comparing both republicans and democrats to gang members. coming up, we'll ask him live why he calls the two-party system a bunch of thugs. from jesse ventura's play list, "whole lot of love." come on, play it. there we go.
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president obama and mitt romney both trying to convince voters they are more in touch with the struggling middle class. but jesse ventura doesn't buy it. in fact, he calls america's two-party system of government just a bunch of, quote, thugs in brooks brothers suits. that's offensive to brooks brothers suits. [ laughter ] to associate them with washington. that's a joke. he is the author of a new book. no more gangs in government. morning. >> good morning, christine. how are you today? >> it is a little over a year ago we were here with your littlast book. you are one prolific complainer about our two-party system. >> well, they have ruined our country. they have been in charge of this country for over 100 years, and look at the shape we're in. we have a national debt that's out of control. they send us to wars that we shouldn't be fighting in. meaningless wars. and think of this for a moment. i'm 60 years old now.
and for over 30 years, over half of my life, i'm post world war ii, we have been at war. i think that's ridiculous. >> let's talk about the bloods and the crips, the gang names you're using in the title. i think red states and blue states. aren't the republicans considered the red state party, and the democrats like the blue? don't the republicans and democrats do everything they can to incorporate any neighboring street gangs? explain to me your metaphor. >> well, the point is they are just like the street gangs only they're worse because the street gangs only affect a minority amount of people in the areas they are located. the democrats and republicans affect each and every american. and the decisions that may make and what they do. and what i was comparing is when you on television talk about blue states, well, you're talking about democratic states. the colors of the crypts are blue. if you're talking about red
states, well, that's the republicans, and the color of the bloods is red. so they even use the same color code as the street gangs do. and my quote was, they're identical to the street gangs except these guys wear brooks brothers suits. that's all. >> he's right, christine, in that the parties are going to punish their own for not abiding by a set, you know, rule of -- this is what we actually believe in. so you look on the democratic side. if you were a blue dog, oh, my goodness, you're going to get opinionished in primaries. if you're a moderate republican, you'll get punished in primaries. i love in california how in their primary, the top two vote getters are the ones that will advance. i love that because there are sometimes when you vote, you may like somebody over the republican primary, you may like somebody in the democratic primary, but you're forced to choose one party. you can't say, i like this person and this person. you have to pick a party to vote. and it makes no sense. >> let me ask the governor this. to the extent that the
governor's criticism extends to the parties acting as teams, i get what you're saying. but in the idealistic scenario, in the way they are envisioned, parties should represent ideological consensus that all of the ideas fit together, and this party represents this. do you, governor, have an ideological consistency or do you just reject all consistency of ideas together? >> no. i don't reject consistency of ideas. but the point is, why should their names be put on the ballot? look, they have created a system in america right now -- >> for shorthand, right? >> bribery. bribery. you have to bribe the parties, bribe the candidates. if we do that in the private sector, we go to jail. yet we have a complete political system based upon bribery. and now with the supreme court's ruling, corporations can give any amount of money to any candidate and they don't even have to say who they got the
money from. let me give you what should happen. i think all presidential candidates should be forced to wear nascar racing suits. stewart, johnson, they have all of the names right in front of you. that way you'll know who they accepted money from. >> there's not room on their suits. >> that's what citizens united has done. at least it made donations transparent. you know who's buying these super pacs. you know who is paying for newt gingrich's presidential super pac. but here is my question for you. what is the one reform, seriously, the besides the nascar jerseys, that you would recommend to fix the problems with our political system? >> the one simple reform would be on every ballot, don't list the gang names or the gang symbols. they make it far too easy. if you're conservative, you don't have to know the
candidate's name. you walk in and look for republican. if you're a liberal, you don't need to know the candidate's name. you look for democrat. how about removing all of that and just print the candidates' names? then it comes to the voter. the voter must then educate themselves, what does john smith stand for? make the parties like political action committees. they can still endorse the same as the teachers union, the police union, fire, whoever. they can endorse candidates. but let's remove the party names from the ballots. >> preach, jesse, preach! >> jesse ventura, former governor of minnesota. nice to see you, sir. good luck with the book. >> well, let me say this. if people truly want to rebel this year, vote for gary johnson, the former governor of new mexico who is running with the libertarians, who won't get any press coverage because mainstream media is also owned by the corporations. >> my friend, he just got your press coverage, and thank you very much. >> you used the word
"libertarian" and maybe people should invest in what he stands for. shorthand. >> preach, jesse, preach. speaking of parties, former governor jeb bush sticking it to his own party saying today's gop would have no room for former president ronald reagan. hmm. why? coming up, why he thinks today's political climate is disturbing. you're watching "starting point." so did the country that came in 17th place. let's raise the bar and elevate our academic standards. let's do what's best for our students-by investing in our teachers. let's solve this. wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac
attacked with harsh criticism from one of its own, jeb bush, blasting his own party saying it's moved too far to the right, saying ronald reagan wouldn't have fit in. based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad, they would have a hard time if you define the republican party, and i don't, as having an orthodoxy that doesn't allow for disagreement, doesn't allow for finding some common ground. what do you think, margaret? >> i think unfortunately jeb bush is speaking the truth that many republicans feel right now, which is they don't feel like there's a voice for them in the republican party. and i think the reason this has happened is since 2008, when republicans were voted out of power in the ledge slatsive branch and the executive branch, we had no elected national leader or spokesperson that was codifying or rallying or leading what mainstream conservatism was. it was almost like warlordism on the right side of the aisle. and you have competing special
interests who are trying to plant their flag in the sand, and then you had a primary that catered to special interests. >> so we fundamentally disagree about this? >> yes. whether or not ronald reagan would fit into the modern day party, i don't know. i think jeb bush is an unimpeachable conservative. i like him. but i think he couldn't have emerged from this presidential policy probably because of his stance on immigration. before we indulge in this, democrats should ask, would jfk be invited into the modern democratic party? >> can we do something? this always happens. we have this conversation, it's like, well, if the democrats are doing it. we're talking about jeb bush. these are his comments. and so if a democrat comes out and makes the comment, we'll have the conversation. so let's stick to the topic. the reality is, he is right. it is very difficult in this hyper partisan situation where if you were a moderate republican getting to the primary. what did jon huntsman
consistently say during the primary? i thought he was a terrible candidate in some respects. but it is very difficult. you look at those gop primaries. every time -- when governor rick perry made a sensible argument, when it came to immigration, folks went nuts. look at senator john mccain, how he had to run in 2010. that to me is the problem. president george hw bush was a strong person running for office. and who beat -- >> how do you find the topic we want him to stick to? now that he has defined the republican party as extreme, i would ask you to be thoughtful and think about jfk and fdr. >> is it the leader or the constituents? have the people changed and they are electing and demanding somethi something different from leaders or is the change in leaders? >> what independents say is they are fiscally conservative and socially not nearly as conservative as the social conservatives in the republican party. >> the people have changed. people force leadership to change. >> i want to see your data.
i have seen no data that says that. >> look at the people near john mccain to say he wasn't a maverick. that was the people say forcing him to say that. >> ahead on "starting point," high drama in a pennsylvania courtroom. the alleged victim who triggered the criminal investigation of jerry sandusky about to come face-to-face with the former penn state football coach in court today. and the ceo of starbucks, howard schultz, will join us to talk about his mission to brew up more jobs for americans. you're watching "starting point." mes. but what we'd rather be making are tee times. tee times are the official start of what we love to do. the time for shots we'd rather forget, and the ones we'll talk about forever. in michigan long days, relaxing weather and more than 800 pristine courses make for the perfect tee time. because being able to play all day is pure michigan.
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good morning. let's get straight to zoraida for the headlines. >> good morning. an enormous wildfire still burning out of control near fort collins, colorado. these are live pictures of the smoke that is covering that area. frontline crews hoping to make progress against the fire will not get a break from mother nature today with warmer and windier conditions expected there. the fire is blamed for at least
one death. and has forced thousands of evacuations. more than 64 square miles have burned since the weekend. and a house committee is considering holding attorney general eric holdner contempt of congress. a vote is scheduled in eight days. the committee says holder has had more than enough time to produce documents they have requested to their investigation into fast and furious, the flawed gun smuggling program that wound up arming mexican cartels. and new questions this morning about whether airport body scanners are safe. researchers from arquette university say radiation from the full body scanners penetrates organs beneath the skin, but at low doses that actually meet national standards. the transportation security administration insists the machines are safe, but the study's lead author says more independent research is needed to ultimately determine the safety question there. legendary funnyman bill murray entertaining baseball
fans in charleston after rain delayed the start of the game. here he is slip sliding on the tarp-covered bases at the river dogs minor league game. why, you ask? well, because murray is part owner of that franchise, so he was hanging out there. this isn't the first time murray has brought the funny to the field. he slid into home plate at wrigley field earlier this year. right before throwing the first pitch for the cubs. there's always a good time with him, isn't there? >> definitely. thank you. president obama and mitt romney in the midst of this back and forth over who's really out of touch with the american worker. it all started when president obama said that the private sector was doing fine. friday. republicans quick to pounce, suggesting the president doesn't understand what it takes to get this country working again. and while job growth is slowing, more than 4 million jobs have been created since the president took office. let's put the political spin aside and talk to someone who knows how to create a job or two, howard schultz, founder and ceo of starbucks. today his company is rolling out
a new initiative to support its create jobs for the usa program. welcome to the program, howard. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm great. how are you? how is the private sector? is it fine? is it not fine? is it getting better? give me your assessment as someone who is in the private sector. >> well, i think with 14 million people unemployed and so many of them hispanic and african-americans and so many towns across the country that are facing just a very tough situation, we at starbucks have asked ourselves how can we use our scale familiar good and how can we make a difference? we found this town in east liverpool that at one point 20 years ago was a bedrock of manufacturing. and we went there and just discovered that we had an opportunity to manufacture products. in this case, mugs, in america, and basically it was a catalyst to bring this town back by putting this facility back into the working conditions that it once was. and i think what we're facing in america is a situation where we
all know that there's something wrong. we're going in the wrong direction. >> well, creating these jobs that are -- >> and in an election cycle -- pardon me? >> sorry to interrupt. but i was going to say we are creating jobs, but we are creating low wage jobs in some cases. almost like a bifurcated job market where you are creating temporary jobs or low wage jobs or part-time jobs. there is also kinds of demands for science, math, on the upper level, and then the vast middle where we don't have the kind of jobs that we need. i know you're selling wrist bands and doing what did you in east liverpool. but one company can't do it. what does it take to get hiring started again? what does it take to get command back in america so that companies have to hire and put people back to work? >> well, let's just establish the facts. you know, one point there was 30 million manufacturing jobs just in 1979. we are down to 9 million now in the united states. and we have to be able to bring back and reset the table to get manufacturing back in america.
what that's going to take, obviously, are policies from washington that stimulate the economy. but what i'm saying is that companies and business leaders must recognize we can't wait for washington. that we too can make a difference. in starbucks' case, we're trying to demonstrate you can balance profitability with a social conscience and make a difference. and i also think the consumer today is willing to pay more for a product as long as it's high quality. >> you think so? >> and it's made in america. >> you do? you think consumers would pay more for an ipad if it were manufactured in america? >> i think if there was an a authentic story around the fact that companies have made an investment in america, versus manufacturing overseas, that the consumer, the bifurcated consumer who is in a position to spend more money would do so. but that's not the issue. the issue is this. we cannot allow 14 million people to continue to be unemployed. we can't allow $6 billion to be
spend on the election cycle and just shut our eyes and say to ourselves, everything is ok. >> can i tell you what i hear from the corporate speak, though? you're telling me something that's so much different from what i usually hear from ceos of mid sized and smaller companies obviously than something as big as your company. but they tell me that they don't have the workers they need. that americans don't have the skills they need. that there's this mismatch. they need machinists. they have higher levels of skills than we have, technical skills. we are talking about 14 million people in america out of work. and what i hear from ceos, i can't find workers. what do you say when you hear that? >> well, i think that that might be the case in certain industries. but let's just look at the facts. the facts are we are down to 9 million factory jobs left in america because manufacturing has moved overseas, because of low labor and incentives. we need policies in this country that incent companies once again to manufacture products in this country. and i think east liverpool is
emblematic of the fact that there are hundreds of towns across the country that have been left for dead, that 20, 30 years ago were the manufacturing hotbeds of these communities. when i went to east liverpool and saw the fact that 25% of the people there are under the poverty line, i just asked myself, is this america? and the answer is no, it's not. and i think we just have to recognize that business people and business leaders must step up and recognize that we need to make an investment back into the country. and back into the people who are being left behind. >> at the same time, our biggest destination for american exports is europe. as a ceo, from your point of view, how dangerous is the situation in europe and a slowdown of demand from europe? are you concerned what that will mean for the rest of us? >> i was in europe last week, and i'm here to tell you that the situation is very dire. there's significant issues there. and i think what this represents to me is a void of leadership
necessary to solve the problems. to make long-term decisions based on this issue. and i think your question is specifically correct in that there is a lot of connective tissue here and the unintended consequences of what happened in europe is going to affect us. i do believe in my own -- and i don't have any insight, but cannot believe that germany is going to allow greece and spain to go by without solving the problem, and anyone over there is going to allow the fracturing of the euro. and we all have a vested interest in this. i'm cautiously optimistic that things will be solved. and as a result of that, america will be in a better position. >> howard schultz from starbucks, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. all right. ahead on "starting point," millions watched them in the '80s. this week, "dallas" is back with a new generation. you'll meet the cast next. there they are. >> hey, dallas. >> nice to see you guys. [ female announcer ] fresh flavor gets a bold new twist
"dallas" returns to the airwaves this week with a new generation of characters as well as some old favorites from the oil tycoon family, including jr and bobby. it premieres tomorrow night on tnt. take a look. >> you are sitting on a couple of billion barrels of light sweet crude, the most ought after crude in the world. >> this will make us richer than we ever imagined, uncle bobby. >> i am sick to death of this family devouring itself over money. this is exactly what i didn't want to happen. >> i figure he spent a lifetime trying to branch out from that character, but he is bobby ewing. welcome to all of you. i love you doing the dance with the music. it sounds like a lot of fun. >> sexy. >> every time we hear the song, we have to do it. >> they call this a continuation of the original series. so it's some of the same old
characters, some new characters. you shot it at southfork. not in l.a. on a sound studio. what is that like? >> it just brings an authenticity to the show that you can't do it anywhere else besides dallas. it is 100% shot there. >> did you guys watch the old series to prepare? >> i bought all 14 seasons, and we have them. but i think i'm on the third. it will take me a while. >> 14. what was it like working with larry hagman? he was on the set. >> he is larger-than-life. i am still intimidated by him because he is such an icon. >> he is a little older. not quite as wild as he was during that time. >> he hasn't missed a beat, though. he is still delivering those quippy one liners with perfection. he is an incredible actor. he really is. >> what can we expect from the new version, josh? >> it's jesse. >> jesse. sorry. >> the new version offers a lot more storyline per episode than the original did. you know, it's dallas 2.0.
a lot of twists and turns. great storylines, great character development. it's a perfect marriage of the old series, you know, and some new life blood. >> it was a precursor really, those shows like "dallas" set the stage for things like "desperate housewives". and how did "desperate housewives" set the stage for a return for "dallas"? >> i don't know if it did. i think we are having a resurgence of the scripted drama. and hopefully people are appreciating that. i know we do because we are back to work. and anything that gets us away from reality television, i think we all support. >> absolutely. >> you were in "desperate housewives" too. >> yes, i was. >> do you think there are similarities or no? >> sort of in a sense that it's a drama, nighttime drama. but really, what is so great about our show is what made the original so lovable and the word of the week is "juicy," that's our word of the week, we have all of those elements. and having the three original back and some other returning cast members, it literally just makes the show -- it legitimizes us to the fans.
>> how much back stabbing is there going to be? how much deviousness? how much -- >> there's a lot. there's a lot of fun stuff going on. i think that if you look back at the original, there's -- you know, everything that happened in a season, like it kind of happens in one episode here. like there's a lot of -- there's a lot going on. it's a fast pace. i think that's what's going to be exciting. >> let's talk about the light sweet crude from the thing we were talking about. they are also talking about alternative energy. there are some modern themes here. it's not drilling in the ground only. >> well, he's all drill baby drill. but there is also alternative energy, and that's where we are today. and that's why it's such an amazing script and how audiences will relate to that. >> you are getting a new generation of people interested in a story that really -- my grandfather was 92 years old, and he loved jr ewing.
this is spanning several generations. >> i was talking to somebody that watched it with their 20-year-old daughter and their 80-year-old mother. and they were all three intrigued, you know, for different reasons. but they all were hooked. so it's nice to hear that. >> it's just so charming. he's just so much fun to watch. >> all right, guys. really nice to meet you guys. have a lot of fun with it. and can't wait to watch it. nice to see you all. >> thank you very much ahead on "starting point," new video of jerry sandusky arriving in court moments ago. we are live outside the courthouse with a preview of what to expect today. you're watching "starting point." ... scientists, technicians, engineers, machinists... ... adding nearly 400 billion dollars to our economy... we're at work providing power to almost a quarter of our homes and businesses... ... and giving us cleaner rides to work and school... and tomorrow, we could do even more.
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we are about six minutes away from the state of day two of jerry sandusky's child sexual abuse child. today he is set to come face-to-face with victim number one. it was this witness's accusations that led to sandusky's arrest. susan candiotti is live outside the courthouse for us. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, christine. yes, this victim is only 18 -- or this accuser is only 18 years old known as you said alleged victim number one. and previously, he told a grand jury that jerry sandusky raped him and fondled him at least 20 times when this young man was between the ages of 11 and 15 years old. and that these alleged attacks occurred both at his school and at jerry sandusky's home, along with other places. he came from the second mile, where all of the other accusers did. that's jerry sandusky's charity.
we expect this testimony to be just as dramatic as we heard yesterday when alleged victim number four took the stand. he is now 28 years old, but talked about his alleged abuse over the course of many years, receiving among other things love letters and being showered with gifts by jerry sandusky. this is a man who also stood up to some cross-examination -- tough cross-examination by jerry sandusky's lawyer who asked film hear example, if this was so horrible, why didn't you just stop it? and he said, i was afraid. i was getting showered with really neat gifts. and they were really cool. but then he turned the question around and said, but, you know, i really wish i would have. i now feel guilty about it and wish i would have stepped up sooner because perhaps i could have prevented more people from being attacked. christine? >> all right, susan candiotti. what promises to be another dramatic day in court there in pennsylvania. thank you, susan. 55 minutes past the hour. "the end point" coming up next.
we're talking sports but it's time for "the end point." take it away, roland. >> howard schultz, i would love to see him challenge these ceos. if you need to replace jobs, partner with community colleges, say how many we need and get them. stop saying you need them but we can't find them. retrain them. >> companies like alcoa and fedex are doing that, but other companies are not. >> precisely. >> i wanted to hear him -- he made a very public statement with 100 ceos saying he wasn't going to give any money to any campaigning during this election season until politicians agree on debt and deficit reduction reforms and a jobs bill. i would have been curious to see if he supports bowls simpson, what is he in favor of. >> as long as you're talking about things you are curious about, ask him how he feels about the oklahoma city thunder being in the nba finals tonight, that he used to own when they were in seattle. >> come on. we want to know what he thinks about the sonics.
>> that's what happens when you hate sports. >> i don't hate sports. >> you have a strange dislike. [ laughter ] >> all right, guys. really nice to see you guys. soledad is back tomorrow. we'll talk to you all again soon. tomorrow on "starting point," nas. now you guys have a lot of educating to do for me. "cnn newsroom" with carol costello beginning right now. stories we are watching right now in the newsroom, hunting the auburn killer. police flood the attic with tear gas and go in but left this morning with no one in handcuffs. so where is desmonte leonard if we can get through this, we can get through anything. >> yeah. nine days. that's how long they were trapped by a devastating blizzard in the new zealand wilderness. what they did to survive. you'll have to hear it for se